Jabil Inc. (NYSE:JBL) Q4 2023 Earnings Conference Call September 28, 2023 8:30 AM ET
Company Participants
Adam Berry – Vice President of Investor Relations
Kenny Wilson – Chief Executive Officer
Fred McCoy – Executive Vice President of Global Business Units
Mike Dastoor – Chief Financial Officer
Conference Call Participants
Ruplu Bhattacharya – Bank of America
Steven Fox – Fox Advisors
Matt Sheerin – Stifel
Mark Delaney – Goldman Sachs
David Vogt – UBS
George Wang – Barclays
Joe Cardoso – JPMorgan
Operator
Hello, and welcome to the Jabil Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Earnings Call Webcast and Investor Briefing. [Operator Instructions] A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
It’s now my pleasure to turn the call over to Adam Berry, Vice President of Investor Relations. Adam, please go ahead.
Adam Berry
Good morning, and welcome to our call today. My name is Adam Berry. I’m Head of Investor Relations, and this is our Q4 earnings call and the sixth annual investor briefing.
Joining me on today’s call are Chief Executive Officer, Kenny Wilson; EVP of Global Business Units, Fred McCoy; and Chief Financial Officer, Mike Dastoor.
For the sixth straight year, we’re going to use this session today to accomplish the following: review our fourth quarter and fiscal 2023 results; discuss the trends underway within the end markets we serve; provide an update for our pending transaction to sell the Mobility business to BYD Electronics; refresh our capital allocation policy given the pending deal; offer a thoughtful fiscal ’24 outlook that demonstrates enterprise level growth in some key areas while also remaining sensible and grounded given the realities of the dynamic global macro environment surrounding us today; and finally, we’ll do our very best to walk through the many moving pieces we foresee in the upcoming year as we work to make our business more profitable and more sustainable.
But before we jump into the details, please note that today’s call is being webcast live, and during our prepared remarks, we will be referencing slides. To follow along with these slides, please visit jabil.com within the Investor Relations portion of the website. At the conclusion of today’s call, the entirety of today’s presentation will be posted there for audio playback.
I’d now like to ask that you follow our presentation with slides on the website beginning with the forward-looking statement. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, including, among other things, those regarding the anticipated outlook for our business, such as our currently expected fiscal year net revenue and earnings. These statements are based on current expectations, forecasts, and assumptions involving risks and uncertainties that could cause actual outcomes and results to differ materially.
An extensive list of these risks and uncertainties are identified in our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended August 31, 2022, and other filings with the SEC. Jabil disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise.
With that, I’d now like to shift our focus to our fourth quarter results, where the team delivered approximately $8.5 billion in revenue, equal to the midpoint of our guidance range.
Core operating income for the quarter came in stronger than expected at $477 million, or 5.6% of revenue. This is up 60 basis points on a year-over-year basis and 80 basis points sequentially, driven by strong execution across both segments.
Net interest expense in the quarter came in better than expected at $71 million, reflecting good progress by the team on inventory and solid working capital management.
From a GAAP perspective, operating income was $441 million, and our GAAP diluted earnings per share was $1.15.
Core diluted earnings per share was $2.45, a 5% improvement over the prior year, and towards the upper end of our guidance range.
Revenue for the DMS segment came in better than expected at $4.4 billion, up marginally compared to the same timeframe from a year ago, driven by strength in our Auto and Healthcare businesses. This strength was completely offset by continued weakness in Connected Devices.
Core operating margin for the segment came in at 6.1%, 100 basis points higher than the same quarter from a year ago, given the solid mix and the normal seasonal pattern within our Mobility business.
Revenue for our EMS segment came in at $4 billion, down roughly 13% year-over-year and approximately $200 million below expectations. As expected, during the quarter, we saw a major revenue shift in our cloud business, driven by our previously announced transition of certain components we procure and integrate to a customer-controlled consignment service model. In Q4, the overall mix of consigned components came in higher than expected.
For the quarter, core margins for EMS were 5.2%, up 40 basis points year-over-year, reflecting strength in renewables, which is in our industrial portion of our business, and the aforementioned consignment shift.
In fiscal ’23, our DMS segment revenue was $18 billion, an increase of 8% year-over-year. In particular, it’s worth highlighting our Automotive and Healthcare businesses, which were up 42% and 12%, respectively. Core operating margin for the segment came in at 5%, up 10 basis points year-over-year.
In EMS, core margins for the year were strong, also coming in at 5%, 70 basis points higher than the prior year on revenue of $16.7 billion. The strength in fiscal ’23 income was driven by growth in renewables within our Industrial and Semi-Cap market as well as the benefit from consignment.
Next, I’d like to begin with an update on our cash flow and balance sheet metrics. Beginning with inventory, which saw good improvement sequentially by four days to 80 days. More importantly, net of inventory deposits from our customers, inventory days were also down four days to 58 in Q4.
Our fourth quarter cash flows from operations were strong, coming in at $686 million. Net capital expenditures for the fourth quarter were $28 million and, for the full fiscal year, came in lower than expected at $708 million, mainly due to the timing of CapEx payments that are shifting to Q1 from Q4. As a result of the strong fourth quarter performance in cash flow generation, adjusted free cash flow for the year came in higher than expected at approximately $1 billion. With this, we ended the quarter with cash balances of $1.8 billion and total debt to core EBITDA levels of approximately 1.1 times.
For the year, we repurchased 6.7 million shares for $487 million, leaving us with $776 million remaining on our current repurchase authorization as of August 31. Please note that in Q4, we were out of the repurchase market mostly as a result of the pending Mobility deal. As Mike will share in a few minutes, when our opportunity to buy back reopens, we plan to accelerate repurchases in Q1 fiscal ’24.
As I flip to the next slide, looking at the five-year financials, it’s hard to believe that another year is in the books for Jabil. And as I look ahead, I can’t help but think that there’s so much more opportunity ahead for us.
In a moment, I’ll hand the call over to Kenny, Fred, and Mike, but before I do, I want to spend a few minutes setting the stage for what you’re going to hear today.
Over the next couple minutes, I think you’re going to hear a lot of the same from us. From a financial target perspective, you’re going to hear us talk about winning our unfair share of business and leveraging those wins to drive margin expansion, free cash flow generation, and further shareholder return. From an end market perspective, you’re going to hear more about the areas of our business which continue to see solid double-digit growth and why we believe we’re one of the best positioned companies to benefit from global trends such as electric and autonomous driving, digital healthcare, AI infrastructure, and the long-term shift to renewable energy.
But there’s some new dynamics to share today as well, and as a team, we’re excited to share a few key updates. For starters, you may have noticed that our previously announced transaction to sell our Mobility business to BYD Electronics has moved from the preliminary stages of agreement to a definitive agreement, as announced earlier this week. As we move through our session today, you’ll hear from both Kenny and Mike as they weave the strategic rationale and financial impact into our economic model.
At the same time, we have some updates to provide today on capital allocation framework, given that the Mobility definitive agreement is now in place. And then given that fiscal ’24 will be transitional for Jabil, in terms of closing the Mobility transaction and the subsequent planned accelerated buybacks, Mike will offer a viewpoint of fiscal ’25, including the full impact of both initiatives.
So, with that, I’ll now hand it over to Kenny.
Kenny Wilson
Thanks, Adam. Good morning. Thanks for joining us today.
As Adam highlighted, fiscal year ’23 was another strong year, and I am pleased with the progress we’ve made relative to our financial objectives.
Every day at Jabil, we strive to do the right thing. It is how we are wired. So, it’s heartening when looking at our end-of-year report card to see that we are making progress on all fronts. Most satisfying for me is the resilience of our model, where despite end market choppiness, we posted very impressive year-on-year growth in core margins, up 40 basis points to 5%, earnings up 12%, and EPS up 13%, while also driving in excess of $1 billion in free cash flows.
This time of year also sees us complete our annual strategic planning process. And it is reassuring to note that similar to last year, we reconfirmed our focus on investing in key areas of our business, including electric vehicles and autonomous driving, AI cloud solutions, renewable energy and healthcare. All of this sets a firm foundation for fiscal year ’24 and beyond, and is a testament to our customer-centric model, which is both robust and adaptable to changes in end market.
The next slide shows how these characteristics have shaped the last 10 years. And seen in this context, fiscal ’23 was just another step in the journey. If I was looking for one word to summarize activities highlighted, it would be intentionality. We have and will continue to be very intentional as we look to grow and modify the mix of business to include longer lifecycle industries like healthcare with the acquisition of Nypro and our strategic collaboration with JJMD.
In addition, we have also increased investment, both organically and inorganically, in emerging technologies. We view our capabilities as a match for important end markets, like renewable energy, infrastructure, electric vehicles, and cloud data centers.
From an enterprise perspective, we began materially redirecting more and more of our free cash flows to buybacks and reinvest in ourselves at very attractive valuations.
And finally, just a few weeks back, we unveiled yet another step on our journey as we announced the pending divestiture of our Mobility business to BYD Electronics for $2.2 billion.
As we move into fiscal year ’24 and beyond, you can continue to rely on this leadership team to allocate capital with a view to expanding shareholder value.
I’d now like to spend a little time talking about our decision to sell the Mobility business. As you know, over the past five years, I’ve had the privilege both to lead and work alongside some of the most skilled and talented manufacturing engineers, operations leaders and material scientists in the world. And during that time, we were fortunate to build an incredible business while also delivering best-in-class products for one of the world’s greatest brands. I had the front row seat, unlike any other, to truly appreciate and develop a deep understanding of the level of complexity involved in introducing and manufacturing precision mechanics at huge scale for our largest customer.
This perspective provides me some credibility to make the claim that our Mobility team is second to none when it comes to innovative automation, tooling design, and manufacturing of these components at scale. And I also truly believe this talented organization can reach new heights when their capability is matched by a supportive business model focused on significant growth.
To all my friends in the Mobility business, I will miss you deeply. Thanks for showing your company at its best, for never flinching from the sometimes seemingly unsurmountable asks, and doing so all with humility, professionalism, and great skill. It has been my honor to be a part of your team. Looking forward, I think your particular skill sets can be leveraged in endless ways. And while it’s bittersweet to say goodbye to some great friends and colleagues, I know this is the best route for our customers, employees, and shareholders alike.
In a moment, I will turn the call over to Fred to go deeper into our end markets, but before that, I wanted to reaffirm what you can expect from me as CEO. I will work tirelessly on your behalf to ensure that we are in the correct end markets and geographies with the correct capabilities to serve our customers. I will continue to ensure that our capital allocation is shareholder friendly, while appropriately funding our growth. And all of this will be underpinned by an unwavering passion and commitment to preserve, protect and grow our unique culture, which is the foundation of everything that is great about our company.
Thank you for joining us today and for your interest in Jabil. I will now turn the call over to Fred.
Fred McCoy
Thanks, Kenny. Good morning, everyone.
As you’ve heard from Adam and Kenny, there’s a lot going on at Jabil at the moment and quite a lot to be excited about. It’s my privilege to join the call today and, over the next few minutes, to walk you through the demand dynamics inside our diversified markets and how we see each shaping up for the coming year.
As we move into FY ’24, we continue to expect growth in our business to be headlined by end markets that are benefiting from strong multi-year tailwinds, specifically renewable energy infrastructure, electric vehicles, AI cloud data centers, and healthcare.
Let’s begin with what’s going on in our Industrial and Semi-Cap end market on the next slide.
In Industrial, we’re experiencing robust growth in clean and smart energy infrastructure, as governments globally implement legislation such as the Inflation Reduction Act in the United States to increase investment in new projects. As a reminder, we play across the entire energy value chain from energy generation, power conversion, transmission, storage, and metering, and to the management of power inside homes and buildings. These projects have multi-year investment timelines, independent of underlying short-term economic growth forecasts. So, we feel comfortable with the visibility we have in this space given these elongated infrastructure build-outs.
As an example, a relatively new market that we’re particularly excited about is the energy storage systems market, from grid level to inside the home and in support of rapid EV charging. On the back of several recent wins in the U.S. and Europe, we expect this space to drive solid growth in the coming years, leveraging our investments in battery module integration.
We are well positioned to support growth in the renewable energy infrastructure space due to a unique combination of power engineering expertise, in-region manufacturing, and supply chain capabilities. As a result, we expect revenue for our industrial business to be up more than 20% in FY ’24.
Offsetting this growth slightly is our Semi-Cap business, as we anticipate market demand to remain muted for most of our fiscal year. As a reminder, our Semi-Cap business spans both front-end, with gear that turns wafer into chips, to the back-end with gear that inspects and tests the wafer or resulting chips. Our strategy in this end market has been very thoughtful due to the high cyclicality of the market, and we’ve been very focused around how we’ve invested in this business, expecting demand to remain muted in FY ’24 while preparing the capabilities and regional footprint for us to be well positioned to grow when the market moves higher as end market demand rebounds.
Within our Automotive and Transport business, we continue to expect growth to be driven by the global transition to electric vehicles. For FY ’24, we expect another year of 20%-plus revenue growth, despite what is a choppy overall global demand environment. The global shift to EVs continues to accelerate, and we expect EVs to represent a larger share of the global auto market in FY ’24, regardless of near-term global growth dynamics.
In this space, we support an increasingly diverse set of the world’s leading automotive OEMs as they launch new electric vehicle platforms across multiple geographies. Our focus areas in the EV market we refer to as ACES, or ADAS and autonomous, connectivity, electrification, and software-defined vehicle architecture.
In the EV market, we support products such as compute and control modules, power conversion, battery management, optical camera modules, LiDAR, and other sensors, as well as charging solutions. The path to mass adoption of electric vehicles globally is exceedingly complex, and there are very few companies that are as well positioned as Jabil to support customers’ multiple complex program ramps on multiple continents with industry-leading supply chain, design and manufacturing capabilities.
Moving to cloud. Our cloud solutions continue to resonate with customers of all sizes, from large hyperscalers to Tier 2 cloud providers, such as technology companies and leading financial firms. Today, cloud represents a relatively small portion of overall global IT spend, but we expect secular growth in this area to accelerate, including the related data center infrastructure, especially with the proliferation of AI and ML.
Next-generation clouds, and especially AI cloud data centers, present unique challenges to customers. AI workloads, which are powered by extremely powerful GPUs that consume significantly more energy and drive increased data generation. This creates three challenges: insufficient power supply on the grid to support expanded data center needs; heat generation that surpasses the capabilities of air-cooled data centers; and enhanced data interconnections between racks to support increased data inside the data center.
Our design-to-dust capabilities continue to resonate with customers, and we are investing in the areas of data center infrastructure services, liquid cooling, and silicon photonics to help our customers solve the above challenges. Jabil is extremely well positioned to support customers as they incorporate innovative technologies into their data centers. And with the asset-light nature of the business, we have maximum flexibility to adapt and support customer needs around the world.
We’re already seeing success in this area. Jabil was recently awarded and began production of our largest cloud customers’ artificial intelligence rack configurations that are GPU dense, which are consigned. Because these components are among those consigned, we will see year-over-year headwinds to revenue, especially in the first half of the year. In spite of the revenue decline, the underlying business and associated unit volumes, however, are expected to grow by more than 20% in FY ’24.
In Healthcare, we expect another robust growth year with revenue up 9% year-on-year. In the healthcare space, the range of products we design and manufacture lean into digital healthcare trends and include: highly complex diagnostic equipment and related consumables; orthopedics, including 3D printed implantables; precision health and medical devices, like minimally invasive devices; and pharma solutions, including smart injection delivery devices for diabetes and obesity drugs.
Jabil’s credibility in the healthcare space as the largest EMS provider in the space positions us well to take advantage of the outsourcing of manufacturing trends. In the coming years, we expect OEMs to continue to accelerate this outsourcing trend regardless of global macro growth.
A recession-resistant end market with long product lifecycles and accretive margins and stable cash flows is why healthcare continues to be such a critical component of our diversified portfolio.
Within Digital Print and Retail, we’re seeing slower demand in legacy print and point of sale markets. This is being offset by growth in warehouse and retail automation markets, as we have a number of key wins that will be ramping in the back half of the fiscal year. These wins leverage unique capabilities in 3D printing of production components, robotics, engineering software and integration, and complex manufacturing automation. Our recent success shows we are well positioned in these end markets to help our customers bring next-generation automation technologies to market.
Within our Networking and Storage end markets, we continue our ongoing efforts to optimize our portfolio as we prioritize margins and cash flows. We also expect overall market demand to be muted this year. Longer term, however, we anticipate growth coming from new programs in development for advanced optical networking, for high-performance data center interconnect that will support growth in cloud and AI data center applications.
And finally within our Connected Devices business, demand remain soft, reflective of weakness in consumer goods spending. We expect another year of market…
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…and set of capabilities to deliver for our customers.
With that, let’s turn to the next slide. We heard Fred take us through each of our end markets and how we plan to optimize this portfolio even further. We continue to benefit from multiple long-term secular growth end markets, such as electric vehicles, healthcare, renewables, and AI-driven cloud data centers. In fact, for FY ’24, we expect these four end markets to make up nearly 70% of our FY ’24 revenue mix, excluding the revenue associated with the Mobility sale. Upon closing the Mobility transaction, we no longer anticipate having any customer that represents 10% or more of revenue. The long-term viability of these end markets continues to give me a high level of confidence as we navigate a range of economic scenarios while expanding margins and free cash flows.
Next slide. FY ’24 is a pivotal year in our journey. After considering a range of scenarios with differing outcomes associated with the timing of the Mobility transaction close, we thought it might be helpful to provide a time-based range for FY ’24 results including our Mobility business until the transaction close date and highlight the FY ’25 outlook excluding Mobility and after considering the full impact of accelerated share repurchases. But before I do that, I’d like to walk you through some assumptions we have used, most of which we have already discussed on this call.
For FY ’24, we assume economic conditions remain challenged for the consumer, which we have reflected in our consumer-related end market guidance. In the coming year, we continue to optimize our end market portfolio in Networking and Storage.
As Fred mentioned earlier, we began production of our largest cloud customers’ artificial intelligence rack configurations. These racks are GPU dense and are among the components that have transitioned to a customer control consignment service model, which has effectively doubled the consignment percentage from a year ago. While volumes are expected to grow by more than 20%, we expect the shift to result in lower revenue as compared to last year of approximately $500 million in Q1 and approximately $200 million in Q2.
Within our Mobility business in Q1, we expect the change in work content associated with new products to impact year-over-year revenue growth by approximately $300 million to $400 million.
And finally, we anticipate the Mobility transaction to close sometime during Q2 of FY ’24. The exact date of the close will drive where we land on the time-based range.
With that, let’s turn to the next slide for our first quarter guidance. For Q1, we expect total company revenue to be in the range of $8.4 billion to $9 billion. At the midpoint, this anticipates DMS and EMS revenue to be $5.1 billion and $3.6 billion, respectively.
Core operating income is estimated to be in the range of $474 million to $534 million. GAAP operating income is expected to be in the range of $423 million to $483 million.
Core diluted earnings per share is estimated to be in the range of $2.40 to $2.80. This includes a benefit of approximately $0.25 associated with accounting impacts of assets held for sale. GAAP diluted earnings per share is expected to be in the range of $2.02 to $2.42.
Net interest expense in the first quarter is estimated to be $73 million.
Moving on to full year guidance, beginning on the next slide. For FY ’24, we expect revenue at an enterprise level to be in the range of $33 billion to $34 billion. As I mentioned a moment ago, we anticipate closing the transaction during Q2 of our fiscal year. Therefore, our FY ’24 guidance range reflects a range of potential outcomes. I would caution against reverting to the midpoint of these ranges as they are time-based ranges and will be highly dependent on actual transaction close date.
Importantly, for FY ’24, we expect core operating margins to improve by 30 basis points to 50 basis points year-on-year, mainly driven by our improved mix of business. Our investments in IT and factory automation will also drive improved optimization across our footprint and are anticipated to lead to higher margins in the future.
Moving to our thoughts around CapEx for FY ’24. In the coming year, we expect net capital expenditures to be in the range of 2.2% to 2.5% of net revenue. This is higher than the 2% in FY ’23 due mainly to timing of CapEx investments rolling into the first quarter of FY ’24. Upon closing the Mobility transaction, longer term, we now anticipate our CapEx to be lower as a percentage of revenue in the range of 2% to 2.3%. Our CapEx investments this year are expected to include a combination of maintenance and strategic investments for future growth and efficiency gains. We plan to continue to invest in targeted areas of our business with the bulk of our strategic growth CapEx aimed at the automotive EV space along with healthcare and renewable energy end markets.
Moving on to cash flow generation. We closed out FY ’23 with strong free cash flows north of $1 billion. We expect to continue generating strong cash flows in FY ’24 with adjusted free cash flow of more than $1 billion.
With that, let’s now turn to our capital structure on the next slide. We have a solid and flexible debt and liquidity profile with current maturities, appropriately staggered at an attractive interest rates. We ended FY ’23 with committed capacity under our global credit facilities of $3.8 billion. With this available capacity and our year-end cash balance, we had access to more than $5.6 billion of available liquidity, which we believe affords us ample flexibility. We also remain fully committed to maintaining our investment-grade credit profile.
In fiscal ’24 and beyond, we expect to generate significant free cash flow. Given this dynamic, along with expected net proceeds from the Mobility business sale, I believe it’s an appropriate time to reiterate our capital allocation priorities and at a high level how we plan to deploy our capital over the next two years.
Please turn to the next slide. This morning, included in our earnings filing, we announced that our Board of Directors expanded our current share repurchase authorization to $2.5 billion. We expect to begin executing on this upsized authorization immediately. You heard Adam say that we were unable to complete our Q4 share repurchases due to restrictions around the Mobility transaction. We plan to launch a $500 million accelerated share repurchase transaction in October prior to the close of our Mobility transaction. Post-closing of the Mobility transaction, we intend to execute a series of additional accelerated buybacks throughout FY ’24 and FY ’25 with the intent of optimizing share repurchases and interest expense, thereby maximizing the EPS impact.
Moving forward, we are comfortable with our ability to generate strong cash flows and will remain balanced and thoughtful in how we allocate our capital. We believe this capital allocation framework will allow us to continue to grow our business and create value for shareholders. As a reminder, we have already reduced our outstanding shares from 203 million in 2013 to 131 million at the end of FY ’23, a 35% reduction over this time period. Over the past 10 years, we’ve brought back our shares at an average price of $32.71 a share.
Next, let’s look at our FY ’24 guidance. For FY ’24, we expect the momentum underway across our business to continue, even in a subdued economic environment. Today, our business serves a diverse blend of end markets in areas that provide confidence in future earnings and cash flows. We have deep domain expertise complemented by investments being made in capabilities, all of which gives us confidence in our ability to deliver 30 to 50 basis points of core margin expansion in FY ’24 along with core EPS in the range of $9.30 to $9.70 and more than $1 billion in free cash flow. And importantly, our balanced capital allocation framework approaches the line and focused on driving long-term value creation to shareholders.
As we transition to our final slide, I thought it made sense to provide you with a view of FY ’25 excluding our Mobility business, but including the impact of our accelerated share repurchases post-closing. We believe we’re on the path to deliver core operating margins at or above 5.6% in FY ’25 and deliver more than $10.65 in core EPS. To deliver this, we need to only grow our revenues by a conservative 3% while continuing to execute a series of accelerated share repurchases.
In my view, Jabil is well positioned to navigate the current economic environment, evidenced by our performance over the past several years. We are not only well diversified, but also markedly more resilient than we were several years ago due to our intentional efforts to invest and align our resources with areas in key end markets that are undergoing multi-year secular growth, all of which gives me confidence as we march towards 6% core operating margins in the future.
Thank you for your time today and for joining us this morning. I’ll now turn the call over to Adam.
Adam Berry
Thanks, Mike.
As we talked about at the outset of the call, there’s a lot to be excited about here at Jabil. And we’ve given you a forecast for fiscal ’24, which we believe will be a bit transitional, and fiscal ’25, which we believe will be a bit more normalized and will include the full impact of the share repurchases from both our previous program as well as the portion from the Mobility deal.
There’s a lot to be excited about here at Jabil, and we’re ready to get into your Q&A. Operator?
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. We’ll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Ruplu Bhattacharya from Bank of America. Your line is now live.
Ruplu Bhattacharya
Hi. Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on the strong results and the very strong guidance. In fact, your margin guidance is significantly higher than we had expected. You’re guiding for 60 basis points of improvement over two years and you’ve also talked about 6% operating margin. So, can you help us dive a little bit into that? I mean, how much of this margin improvement is coming from mixed shift within the portfolio? How much would you say is like-for-like pricing improvement? I mean, I would think that, by fiscal ’25, you would have some recovery in Semi-Cap, maybe there is less inflation passed through and maybe you are taking some cost actions. So, any color you can give in terms of what are the different drivers for such a strong margin improvement?
Kenny Wilson
Hey, Ruplu. Good morning, and thank you for the question. I mentioned in my prepared remarks that we’re really intentional. We just came out of our annual review of our strategic planning, and I think you’ll see in Mike’s comments also that we’re viewing post the Mobility divestiture that 70% directly of our business is going to be in the EVs, AI clouds, renewables and healthcare.
So, if you look at that, that’s all areas of our business that we believe are accretive from a margin perspective. And then, if you just roll forward what we expect our growth to be in those areas, it really is a big chunk of that. Also, obviously, as you’d expect as the Mobility business moves out of the company, we’re looking at right-sizing our footprint and just aligning with the new normal for our business.
So it really is part of what we’ve been planning to do. We’ve been very intentional on it. And then, it really is just a function of as business with higher margin, grows and becomes a bigger part of our portfolio, that’s where we see we get to from a margin perspective. It’s not a function of us going back and trying to renegotiate higher prices with our customers. It really is a function of us adding more value in key end markets, and that’s where we end up.
So, we — my other comment here would be, as you know, we are generally quite conservative. So, we wouldn’t be talking to you about that if we didn’t think there was a high degree of likelihood that we would achieve that.
Ruplu Bhattacharya
Okay, thanks for all the details there, Kenny. If I can ask you on automotive, I mean, you’ve had very strong growth over the last couple of years. I mean, this past year, you grew 40%-plus, and now you’re guiding another year of 20%-plus. I mean, the business now is sizable, right? It’s like $4.5 billion. So, I mean, do you think that this level of growth can sustain? And what drives that? Is it — are you increasing the content per vehicle, or is it that you’re going to more OEMs than before? Just if you can just expand on how you’re thinking about what drives that growth? And are you concerned about the competition in this space as more companies look to try and gain share in different aspects of automotive?
Kenny Wilson
Yeah, let me talk to that also. So, I think I said previously that the automotive business is hard and that being hard is good for us, and also you need to have a global footprint with consistent standard processes and capabilities and be able to launch products simultaneously in different geographies at the same time. There’s not that many companies that can do that. And so that certainly helps us.
We’ve been on a journey in the automotive space for quite some time. Chad Morley and his team have been driving that. We identified pretty early that electrification was going to be a huge trend and so we doubled down on that. And, obviously, as you listened to Fred talking about ACES, we’re looking at software-defined also now.
So, we’ve been thoughtfully focused on adding more of the key logos to our portfolio. And what we see is, as we add more logos or more companies that were involved in more and more programs — and I think Mike has talked previously about how the business is like seven-year lifecycles, you’ve introduced them at different rates. So, what we see is going forward that the products that we’re incubating now are going to be revenue and margin accretive in the next two or three, four, five years. So, we’re feeling quite confident about our growth. Certainly, 20%, we think is probably reasonable.
From a competition perspective, we compete globally with really, really good companies. Competition makes us better. So, we are well aware and we’re pretty paranoid about our capability and our competitors. So, I would say that we don’t have any real surprises with our competitors in terms of their capability relative to ours. And we’re pretty confident that what we could offer being a U.S. domicile but with wonderful capabilities in Asia, Europe, and North America, we think that that model is a winner for our customers and for Jabil. So, we’re feeling quite confident about our automotive growth in the short, medium, and long term.
Ruplu Bhattacharya
Okay, thanks for all the details. I’m going to try and sneak one more quick one in. I mean, you’re guiding for strong growth in new areas that I haven’t heard of before, like the energy storage side is now much stronger for you and the data center side. So, do you think you have enough footprint to support this growth over the next few years? And when I look at your CapEx guidance, it’s still in that normal range of 2.2% to 2.5%. So, I mean, do you think that is enough CapEx to support this new growth? So, just your thoughts on the footprint and CapEx and areas of investment? Thank you so much again. Congrats on the quarter and the day.
Fred McCoy
Hey, Ruplu, this is Fred McCoy. I’ll take that for you. Yeah, we’ve announced some expansions in previous calls. We’ve expanded our footprint both in North America and Europe. So, we feel really confident and comfortable in supporting the regional needs for those markets that you cite. We’ve seen some movement, as I mentioned, with some of the legislation in Europe and the U.S. driving specific regional requirements, and we think we’re well positioned to support those energy storage and energy conversion programs in those regions. And all that’s within our CapEx that we guided in the call. That’s just part of our normal course of business in adjusting our capacity to meet customer needs.
Mike Dastoor
And, Ruplu, if I can just add, if you look at our CapEx, historically, a few years ago, it was in the range of 3.5%. Over the years, we’ve taken it down to — we’ve always suggested 2.5%, 2.6% range. We will have the Mobility transaction going through. We are working on taking this CapEx number down quite a bit. I think the normalized range, if you look at what happened in FY ’23 is our CapEx went down to 2%, but that was a little bit of a timing difference. So, FY ’24, we expect CapEx to still be in the 2.3% to 2.5% range, but going forward, the 2% to 2.2% to 2.3% sounds highly doable.
If you look at what we’ve done over the last few years, we’ve grown from $17 billion to $35 billion. So, we’ve doubled our revenues, and we’ve always managed our CapEx through that doubling phase. It’ll be the same with automotive. It’ll be the same with all the other high-margin secular growth and markets. We will continue to manage CapEx with a lot of discipline. And I think the number has already reflected, all expansion is reflected when we give out CapEx percentages.
Ruplu Bhattacharya
Great, thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from Steven Fox from Fox Advisors. Your line is now live.
Steven Fox
Hi, good morning. A couple questions from me. First of all, I was wondering if you could dig in a little more into the cloud slide that you presented from the aspect of the growth. Mike, you mentioned 20% sort of like-for-like growth on the rack configurations, but it seems like the drivers are a couple of different areas. Like, can you explain what you meant by customer diversity? And then also, how investing in new technologies like liquid cooling is driving some of the growth? And along those lines, I noticed you mentioned OSAT packaging, which I think is new. Can you just sort of give us an explanation on that bullet point? And then I had a quick follow-up.
Kenny Wilson
Hi, Steve, good morning. Yeah, so we were talking about that just this morning actually, and I think it’s worth just reaffirming you on the cloud space. We really think the model we have is outstanding. So, it’s asset-like, it’s co-located with our customer. We also think that as our customers look to disaggregate a lot of the other parts of the data center that it plays to our strength, and I’ll get to the optics in OSAT in a second.
So, what we find is that relationship drives effectively us sitting at the same side of the table, trying to solution how can we do things efficiently and how can we help them grow, because we view there’s going to be significant growth, especially underpinned by AI. So, what we see is we’ve got to — if you take our existing cloud business and what we see, that’s been augmented by a real pivot to AI. From a consignment perspective, if you look at the GPUs, as Mike mentioned, that’s going to be a pass through for us because we don’t add any value there. But what you find in cloud is that really just the model we have is allowing us to really go deep with our customers and grow our business there.
In terms of you mentioned about OSAT, let me talk about that. As we discuss with our customers, and Fred mentioned in liquid cooling, the power requirements for what we’re doing in data centers has become significant. Air cooling no longer works, so they’re looking for a liquid-cooled capability. You need to use photonics extensively, again, because of the power requirements. So, sitting with our customers means that they ask us, “Can you help us in liquid cooling? Can you help us in photonics? Can you help us in pluggable transceivers, et cetera, et cetera?” So that helps us as we go into strategic planning to look at where should we be investing our dollars and capabilities to help our customers.
The good thing for us, Steve, is that as we go more vertical and end markets, it simplifies our customers’ lives and it makes our solutions more robust and it effectively allows us to grow our business there. So that’s kind of how we see things in the cloud. And hopefully that answers your question.
Steven Fox
Yeah, no, that’s very helpful. And then just as a follow-up. Mike, it sounds like what you’re saying with the fiscal ’25 guidance is to assume that you sort of execute on $2.5 billion of buybacks by then. And if that’s the case, is there any way to sort of give us an idea of how much we should assume in buybacks, or how the share count conservatively comes down this year? I know there’s a lot of timing issues there, but it seems like that’s an important part of the EPS model to understand now for a little while.
Mike Dastoor
Absolutely, Steve. I think you’re absolutely right. The buyback scenario is dependent on the timing of the close. But regardless, let me just — I think this morning you saw the Board expanded our authorization — current authorization, $2.5 billion. I think, if you remember, Adam mentioned in his prepared remarks that, in Q4, we were unable to complete our Q4 share buybacks due to the restrictions that are associated with the Mobility transaction.
So, in October, like starting next week, we will therefore, we will be executing an accelerated share repurchase program of $500 million, regardless of the timing of the close. So, think of that as almost like a catch-up and taking advantage of current market situation as well. Post-close, we will execute a series. Obviously, it will depend when in Q2 it closes, but we will execute a series of accelerated share repurchases. We’ll start as soon as the Mobility transaction closes and we’ve received all the cash.
We probably won’t do a full accelerated share buyback on day one itself for the entire amount. We’re going to do a series of buybacks. And the reason for that is we’re trying to balance the impact of interest costs along with the benefit of the WASO, like you suggested, on the calculations we’ve run as a balanced approach actually maximizes EPS. So that’s what we’re going to do, which means, by the end of FY ’24, we still won’t be completed fully with our buybacks. I think out of the $2.5 billion, I expect about $1.5 billion, $1.7 billion to be completed by FY ’24, and in FY ’25, we’ll complete the balance of that transaction. I think from a WASO perspective, I’m looking at end of ’24 and the range of that 126 million, 128 million shares, while in ’24, again, depending on how we manage it through FY ’25, it’ll be in the 115 million, 118 million range.
Steven Fox
Great, that’s helpful. And one just quick question on all that. Should an acquisition come up, would that possibly change the goals you just laid out, or could you do M&A and still do this amount of buybacks? Thanks.
Mike Dastoor
No. So, I think the company, the management team, everyone feels we’re highly undervalued still, and the best return that we can get is in buybacks. Having said that, if an M&A comes up — I’ll just remind you our debt leverage is at a very low point. It’s at like 1.1, and that gives us sufficient room to do an acquisition if needed from debt if the financials work out and it’s capability driven, it’s all in the right end markets, et cetera. So, it’ll be based on — it’ll be based off of our debt structure. So, I would think of the buybacks as — we’re definitely going to go and do that, and any M&A will be on top of that, and we have plenty of liquidity and plenty of leverage to do that.
Steven Fox
Great. Thank you so much.
Operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from Matt Sheerin from Stifel. Your line is now live.
Matt Sheerin
Yes, thanks, and good morning, everyone. A couple of questions for me if I can. One on in terms of your guidance for EMS, it looks like you’re guiding Networking and Storage down 6% and you also talked about,, Kenny, the fact that you’re disciplined, you starting to optimize your customer portfolio there. So, does that guidance reflect just weakness in end markets in terms of visibility with customers, or are you disengaging with some programs that don’t meet your return or profitability goals?
Kenny Wilson
Yeah, hey, [Steven] (ph), it’s a little bit of both in this instance.
Matt Sheerin
Okay. Maybe drill down a little bit in terms of what you’re seeing in those markets?
Kenny Wilson
Yeah, I mean just that, there are kind of some legacy EMS type kind of built to print type of models in some instances. And our view there is that where we can serve — we’re always looking to find where we can serve and add value. If our serve and add value becomes 100% built to print, then probably there’s people that can do that cheaper than us and can do it — and allowing us to add value for other customers where we can be vertical or where we can do — just do more engineering services or whatever.
So, I mean, we’re not walking away from customers. It’s a discussion around, look, I’m not sure it’s the right fit for ourselves and for our customers. So there’s a little bit of that. And then some of it is just end market softness right now. We see some softness in that market as well as in the consumer space. So, we do expect that to recover.
I mean, we’re not walking away from the Networking and Storage business, just to be clear. We also see that in that area of our business that the amount of enhanced or advanced networking that’s required to support the AI data centers is significant also. So, we think, longer term, this business will be okay for us, but we’re just seeing a little bit of softness in the short term, plus, some discussions with a couple of customers.
Matt Sheerin
Okay, thanks for that. And then, my next question, just regarding the inventory picture, supply chain challenges that you’ve had, and how we should think about how that flows through the model in the next year. You had a nice inventory reduction quarter-on-quarter. That net number is down. So, are you expecting that to reduce further? And are you seeing any other supply chain issues that you’ve called out in previous quarters, particularly in auto and medical in terms of legacy parts?
Mike Dastoor
Let me try and take that, Matt. The inventory days did come down by four days. I think the team did an excellent job. If you look at our supply chain team, our ops team, our BD teams, finance teams, all of them have done a fantastic job in getting that particular metric down. I think the focus that we put on that from a free cash flow perspective, from a working capital perspective, is all paying off.
Having said that now, I don’t expect it to go down into the low 50s. I think that 55 to 60, I think on previous calls I mentioned that’s the range I was expecting mid to long term. It came sooner than expected, which is always a pleasant surprise. But I would expect that 55 to 60 day sort of range to be maintained. It might differ by nuances in particular quarters. It might go up a little bit, it might go down a little bit, but over the long term, I expect 55 to 60 days to be maintained.
From a supply chain perspective, yes, supply chain constraints are coming down. However, I think, like you mentioned, the automotive and healthcare pieces, there still are some shortages going on there. Maybe not the same level that they were at three to six months ago, but we’re still seeing some issues in those end markets all because of the legacy chips like you said as well.
So, something we’re watching, and when that starts coming down and normalizing, yeah, we’ll get to the 55-ish range over a long period as well.
Matt Sheerin
Okay, thank you. And just lastly, on the interest expense line, which was — which you’re guiding $73 million. What should we think about the full year, particularly with your excess cash in terms of bringing down your short-term borrowings? Is there a number that we should model for the year?
Mike Dastoor
Yeah, the excess cash has been built into our forecast. I think the number I’d say of FY ’24 would be in the range of $290 million to $300 million. Again, we’re being conservative there. If interest rates continue to go up, we don’t have a crystal ball around that. But it’s mainly our variable rate, which is higher right now because of everything that’s going on in the markets. So, conservatively, I’d model $290 million to $300 million, Matt.
Matt Sheerin
Okay. All right, thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from Mark Delaney from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now live.
Mark Delaney
Yes, good morning, and thank you very much for taking my questions. First on Mobility, by exiting that business, do you think you can allow Jabil to better pursue some of these other end markets? And maybe give us a little bit more details as you think about things like management time, perhaps feeling less constrained by customer diversification considerations or having more capital to invest?
Kenny Wilson
Hey, thanks for the question. So, Mark, yeah, so firstly, I mentioned in my prepared remarks about the Mobility and the Mobility team. And I’d just like to call out again our gratitude as an organization for the work that they’ve done, which has been outstanding. I also think it would be a remiss of me not to call — we’re right in the middle of the transition right now and the collaboration between our team and the BYD team is absolutely outstanding. So, we’re really pleased about how that’s going.
Yeah, in terms of the business, for sure, what we’ve been looking at here is — and the way we try and focus our growth is, where can we add most value for our customer, and look at the world through the eyes of our customer. And that’s why you’ll see when we look at the end markets that we’re focused on, we think it’s end markets where the range of capabilities that we have in our company and the global presence that we have can really help our customers grow and develop.
So, yeah, we’ll be focusing much more on automotive, healthcare, just the renewables that we’ve mentioned previously, so for sure — and AI and cloud, for sure that’s going to give us the opportunity to do that. From a use of capital perspective, it helps us here also. So yeah, certainly from a management bandwidth, it’s going to free up some of our time to go double down in these strong secular growth areas.
Mark Delaney
Okay. Thanks for that, Kenny. Speaking of AI, you spoke about some of the nice growth you’re seeing and opportunities. Could you clarify how much of your cloud and 5G business is tied to AI at this stage? And how do you see that progressing in your ’24 and ’25 outlook?
Kenny Wilson
Yeah, so at ’24, it’s roughly 20% to 25%, and we think that that’s going to grow in the longer term and going to become a much bigger part of our cloud business.
Mark Delaney
That’s very helpful. And just a clarification on the data center business. I think this is the third year you’re seeing this transition to the consignment model, which has the revenue impact but helps the profit margin. With the shift you’re expecting this year away from some of the consignment, do you think you’re fully done now and is it the last year of that transition, or could this continue beyond fiscal ’24? Thanks.
Kenny Wilson
I think it’s going to be really dependent on the mix of the businesses. So, we are expanding the space there to allow us to do more cloud. Mike mentioned that we’re up 20% year-over-year. And we don’t see any slowdown in terms of the cloud rollout. So, I think it depends, but certainly for sure, we think that our volumes are going to grow, but it will grow in the AI space. So, probably our revenues would probably be relatively consistent at that level, I would think, in the next year or two.
Mike Dastoor
Hey, Mark, I feel the consignment levels that we are at today will be consistent going forward. I think we’ve done — we’ve doubled our consignment. So, even though volumes are up by 20%, we’ve actually doubled our consignment levels over this period. And that’s impacting our total revenue number. But this is all good news, right? So, I don’t think this is something that is negative. It’s actually a big positive for us because it helps with our balance sheet, it helps with our margins, it helps flow through, it helps the customer, it helps Jabil, it’s a win-win for everyone. But now that we’ve doubled our consignment levels, there might be another 5%, 10% that might come through, but I think we’re at a decent stage currently with the indicators we provided.
Mark Delaney
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from David Vogt from UBS. Your line is now live.
David Vogt
Great. Thanks guys for taking my questions. And I appreciate all the detail. It’s incredibly helpful. I have a couple of questions, and maybe one for Kenny and a couple for Mike. So, Kenny, just on the Mobility transaction, I know you’re probably limited in terms of what you can say. But what gives you confidence? We’re just trying to think through, what gives you confidence that this deal could close, let’s say, within two quarters? Because I’m sure you’re aware there’s other deals that have been pending earlier in the year that are taking upwards of 12 months, if not longer. So, kind of what’s going on there and kind of what are the steps that we should be looking at following sort of the purchase agreement data that you published last night? And then, I’ll just hold off and ask Mike my follow-ups, if that’s okay.
Kenny Wilson
Yeah, thanks for the question, David. So, yeah, we are really, really deep in this right now. I mentioned previously about the — how effectively we’re working together with BYDE. And that is really, really pleasing, especially for people that are going to go work in that organization and the leadership team is outstanding. Yeah, we’ve — it’s really detailed. We’ve spoken to all of the stakeholders. We think we’ve got a really good plan, detailed plan, and we’re very, very confident that we’ll close this in the timeline that we covered in our prepared remarks. We’re actually focused on trying to close it as soon as possible, obviously. If we could do that in this calendar year, it would be wonderful. But yeah, with BYD’s support in Asia and our support in North America, we think that we’re very confident that it’s going to be closed in the timeline that we mentioned.
David Vogt
Great. And then maybe for Mike, I appreciate the color on the margins and the mix shift embedded in sort of the outlook for fiscal ’24. But can you kind of touch on 1Q to start? It looks like at the high end, operating margins are closing in on 6%. And I would imagine that includes Mobility for at least the full quarter, to Kenny’s point. And — but when we look at the full year of ’24, I would imagine the base case in the projections are Mobility exiting the business by the end of, let’s say, fiscal 2Q and margins kind of trend lower in, I would imagine, 2Q and the back half of the year. So kind of what’s going on in the first quarter? I know mix, you mentioned earlier, it’s a faster growing business. This helps margins in the full year, but specifically in 1Q, why are margins so strong and what does that imply for Mobility margins?
And then, maybe just as a quick follow up, I’ll give them to you both at the same time, I think you made a comment that your fiscal ’25 outlook only contemplates growth of about 3%. I would assume that’s based off of a ’24 number that is pro forma excluding Mobility. Is that maybe the right way to think about it? And I’ll just stop there.
Mike Dastoor
David, let me answer your second question first. The answer is, yes, it excludes Mobility. So, when we’re looking forward to FY ’25, the 3% growth is on the non-Mobility piece.
As it relates to Q1 margin, there’s a couple of dynamics going on. We talked about consignment in the cloud, that has a little bit of an impact for margins in Q1 and for all of FY ’24 as well. Our mix continues to shift into the higher mix end markets, the higher margin end markets. There is a shift taking place there, which is working for us. I think I highlighted, and Kenny talked about it as well, 70% of our non-Mobility business now is going to be in those four end markets.
There’s no major change in the Mobility piece other than some — I think I called out a couple of pieces, I called out the consignment piece and I called out some shift of work content which is more bill of material driven rather than anything else. There’s no manufacturing change at all and the value add that we provide is still the same, but it was just a bill of material moving upstream rather than through us. So that has a little bit of a positive impact on margin.
And then last but not least, we did — we signed a preliminary agreement on 27th of August. On the 27th of August, we triggered an asset held for sale sort of accounting treatment under U.S. GAAP. In Q4, there wasn’t much of an impact at all. There was zero impact on the P&L. There was some tax that we had to provide for — under GAAP for Q4. But in Q1, there is about a $40 million, $50 million pickup because we’re pulling out depreciation as part of this accounting treatment for assets held for sale.
I called it out in my prepared remarks, I mentioned there’s about a $0.25 improvement because of this, but don’t forget, through the year, this sort of improvement gets offset by stranded costs that will take time to pull out towards the end of the year. But in Q1, there’s quite a few dynamics moving around whereby our revenue looks lower, but it’s not because it’s mainly bill of material driven and there’s some other dynamics as well.
David Vogt
Mike, just to clarify, so is the stranded cost and this sort of triggered gain embedded in the core non-GAAP projections, or is that just strictly in the GAAP numbers for ’24?
Mike Dastoor
No, the asset held for sale, the depreciation is embedded in our core. I think I mentioned that specifically when I was talking about the core EPS, there was a $0.25 impact. The stranded costs are also included in core. We’ve got stranded costs towards the end of the year. We’ll only be able to get to restructure those in maybe Q3 or Q4 well after the transaction closes.
David Vogt
Great. Thank you. That’s helpful. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys.
Operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from George Wang from Barclays. Your line is now live.
George Wang
Hey, guys. Thanks again for taking my question, and congrats on the quarter and the strong guide. Yeah, just a couple of quick questions. Firstly, can you kind of talk about share gains? Just maybe pass out kind of what are you seeing in terms of the continued share gains, whether that’s mostly from new markets or existing growth markets you guys already in right now?
Kenny Wilson
Yeah. Hey, George, nice to talk to you. Yeah, so what we’re seeing is, I think we’re seeing some offset in markets right now. So, if you look at the consumer, for example, we call that Network and Storage, that’s down. So, we’re not losing market share there. But in the markets that we’re focused on, like in automotive and healthcare, renewables, for sure, we’re gaining share in those areas. So that is allowing us to offset some softness in consumer, for example, and still be able to grow — normally grow our business. So you see, we are seeing sheer gains in those targeted areas.
George Wang
Okay, great. And also, I kind of want to double-click on the opportunities out of China, especially given the reshoring trends and maybe kind of specifically in Eastern Europe, kind of on the EV production side and also Mexico. Would you like to call out a few other regions kind of outside of China, also in particular vertical, like that could drive incremental growth as this reshoring trend continues?
Kenny Wilson
Yeah, okay. So, let me just — if this doesn’t satisfy your question, just let me know, George. But — so, we have a phenomenal capability and a really robust footprint in China. We leverage a lot of capabilities across the company from our footprint there. What we do see is that we see opportunities in China for China. We think that whether it’s in EVs or multiple different end markets, we think our facilities are full and we’re adding more demand in our China facilities. So, when we talk about regionalization, we’re not — it’s not cannibalizing our footprint in China. And we think that the demand is going to increase for us there in the longer term, which is great because the teams and the people we have in China are absolutely outstanding.
But to answer your other question, yeah, we see — look at reshoring in Europe and North America, it’s a big part of what we’re doing and what you see growth in our targeted end markets. The good thing about our company and our capability is that we have standard processes. We have a consistent culture, of course nuanced in different parts of the world. We have a standard unified ERP system. So, what it means is, it means our ability to take capabilities and products and move them around the world and build them in the same — different geographies at the same time. I would argue that we’re among the best in the world at that. So, we see — our focus is on China to support China market and also for export, but also we see leveraging those capabilities in different parts of the world is something that’s going to help us grow in the longer term.
So, I guess, in summary, the regionalization, as we call it, or reshoring, is — that’s a net positive for us. So, we’re feeling pretty confident about that in the future.
George Wang
Okay, great. Thank you. Congrats again. I will go back to the queue.
Kenny Wilson
You’re Welcome.
Operator
Thank you. Next question is coming from Samik Chatterjee from JPMorgan. Your line is now live.
Joe Cardoso
Hey, thanks for the question, guys. This is Joe Cardoso on for Sameek Chatterjee. Just one question for me, but maybe a two-parter. Your outlook for Industrial and Semi-Cap encompasses more muted forecasts for your Semi-Cap business for ’24. Within that, can you just bifurcate between what you’re seeing in the front-end and back-end of the business and how you see those tracking through the year? And then, you talked about prepping or investing into that business for ’25. Can you just dive into that a bit and touch on if there’s any specific areas you’re investing in, or is that more of just a broader comment relative of being prepared for that end market as it recovers? Thank you.
Fred McCoy
Hi, this is Fred. I’ll try to take that question for you. So, right now, we’re seeing a lot of uncertainty in our fiscal ’24. I think the industry is looking at kind of the back half of calendar ’24 for a rebound. So that’s how we’ve modeled the Semi-Cap business for our FY ’24. I think that’s both front-end and back-end. We’re seeing those challenges.
In terms of the investment, I mean, we’re well aware of the CHIPS Act and the other investment acts in Europe, and we are also well positioned in some of the regional trends that are going on, both on the manufacturing and the components that go into the semi-capital equipment. So, we’re really using this period to kind of optimize our footprint, optimize our capability and our capacity in the right regions to support what we see as where the bounce back will happen when it does late in 2024 or early 2025. So, we feel really comfortable that — again, as Kenny alluded to on the prior question, our global footprint and our standard practices will allow us to be the key supplier to this market in all three regions of the world.
Joe Cardoso
Thank you. Appreciate the color.
Operator
Thank you. We’ve reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the floor back over to management for any further closing comments.
Adam Berry
Thank you. Our call has now ended. If you have any further questions, please reach out. Thanks.
Operator
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